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Huge majority for Remain in Cheadle
by Lib Dem team on 17 August, 2018
Over a hundred constituencies that voted Leave in the 2016 Brexit referendum would now vote Remain. That’s the surprising result of a massive opinion poll across the country that shows the Will of the People is now to stay in the EU.
Cheadle, which voted Remain in 2016, is now even more strongly opposed to leaving the EU. Over 60% now want to abandon Brexit, with only 39.7% still in favour.
“Brexit will effect every family, every person in Cheadle & Gatley. It will make us poorer, cost jobs and make our country weaker and less important in the world. We now know that a no-deal Brexit will be even worse, with possible shortages of food and medicine,” said Cllr Iain Roberts.
“No-one voted to be poorer in 2016,” he added. “We have never had a referendum on the final deal. It’s now clear that the will of the people is for that to happen.”
More details of the polling, which has been widely reported in the media over the last week can be found here, and in many other newspapers. The poll was conducted by YouGov, with 15,000 people polled over June and July. More information here.
57 Comments
The only thing that genuinely surprises me is that, with the chaos the government now finds itself in (all of its own making), the shift from Leave to Remain is as small as it is.
With that bunch of incompetents in charge, it seems a nonsense that we should leave it to them to decide on the final deal. The public have been trusted twice now in referendums on the subject – they should be trusted in a further referendum to decide if we are better off leaving on the basis of whatever the final deal is, or staying in the EU. There is no dishonour in changing ones mind over such important matters (whichever way one’s mind might change). .
For goodness sake we voted to leave and leave we will. We DO NOT need another referendum as we know what we want. You remoaners should just keep quiet.
Hi Beryl – it’s becoming clearer and clearer that Brexit will be hugely damaging to our country, and that none of knew what we would be getting when we voted. A majority of people want a vote on the final deal (something Jacob Rees-Mogg suggested!). We’re democrats – we’re simply asking for the will of the people to be followed.
Iain – the will of the people was to leave. Opinion polls account for nothing – the only opinion which does count is when one casts his/her vote.
If there were another vote and you lost that one as well would you want another along the lines ‘are you REALLY sure you want to leave?
Iain, it’s a bit like your mate who loses the toss and cries, “Best of three! Best of three!”. Then he loses again and says, “Best of five!”
Despite what you say, no-one knows what the consequences of Brexit will be. It might be a disaster, or it might be OK. Please stop pretending you’re an expert in the future. You aren’t, and neither is anyone else.
Moreover, it isn’t even becoming “increasingly clear” what the deal will be. Anything is possible, on a spectrum between WTO rules at one end, BINO at the other, EEA membership or a Canada-plus trade deal in the middle.
But even if we did know, we wouldn’t know how that would play out five or ten years down the line. The arguments were put before the electorate, with lies and disinformation on both sides (quite a lot of it from the government, sent to the people using their own money). Your side lost, by a margin of about 8%.
Lastly, it may be timely to remind you that both major parties went into the 2017 election on a Brexit platform. Your party campaigned to Remain. You got crushed.
So, where do we stop with the referenda, do we keep on having them ad infinitum with opinion polarizing to opposite ends of the outcome spectrum? And at which point do we say “okay we’re happy” or no – we need another vote?
Hi Harry – we’ve had two votes on leaving the EU. The Brexiters didn’t get the result they wanted first time round, so they kept at it. We’ve never had a vote on the final deal to leave. We want to have a first vote on that deal, so people can cast a vote knowing what’s on the table.
Amazing! Constituency boundaries, regions are of no matter in a referendum! I voted remain, purely because of the unknown, as I’m not a fan of the corrupt Euro regime. Criticising Mrs May and the government is stupid. Ultimately it’s what the Eurocrats will let happen – they will control a ‘hard’ or ‘soft’ Brexit. And in the course of my work since the referendum, I have met people of all Parties, backgrounds etc. who voted for or against. The Libs cannot keep saying we are remainers when I have many who voted leave! (As I have labour and Conservative). If we have a second referendum, will Europe take us back…… ?
Hi Robert, across the whole country a majority now favours Remain and wants a second referendum.
The other 27 countries of the European Union (not the Eurocrats, but their elected leaders) will of course act for their own benefit. Why would they not?
As for your last question, numerous top EU people have made clear that it’s not too late for Britain to pull back from this path and stay in the EU.
We all know that opinion polls cannot be trusted.
As far as I am concerned I voted to leave as the EU is so corrupt and unaccountable (no audited accounts) and I and everyone I know that voted leave have not changed their mind.
Please will the remoaners shut up and accept the will of the people!!!!
Hi Patricia, just to correct you, the EU *does* have audited accounts. I understand you don’t agree, but it’s very clear that a lot of people are seeing what Brexit will really mean, how it will make us poorer and cost jobs, and want a second referendum. That’s not just one opinion poll – it’s a lot of them, and the chances of them all being wrong are tiny.
Just look at all your replies, they are as different as the country, and not what the Lib Dems wish for. To correct you Iain, the EU Accounts have not had their Accounts signed off for 21 years and for 17 years not even audited!
We did know what we voted for in the Referendum, and Sovereignty is paramount with such a corrupt EU Commission.
Of course we need a final vote to decide whether we stay in or leave on the deal that’s agreed.
But what happens if there is no deal as looks increasingly likely! Are we going to let semi retards such as Ian Duncan Smith fiorce the country into this dangerous situation. As he is a multi millionaire with probably large assets abroad it won’t impact his like very much unlike the rest of us. A no deal definitely needs a second referendum as the consequences will definitely be negative in the short term. Anyone who believes it will all be ok I am afraid is economically illiterate
The lib dems are the only party fighting this and need support from all sides.
Of course we need a final say. The original referendum was based on lies. We now know the unpalatable truth as is evidenced by people realising how corrupt the Leave campaign was. In fact the original referendum should be declared null and void anyway , as is being proposed in court right now
I voted leave and have not changed my mind. It’s about sovereignty for me and for many of my friends across the parties. The EU is run by 27 commissioners of which we have 1, there are about 750 MEPs of which the UK have about 73 (8 of whom are North West). We influence NOTHING.
Where I would agree with Barbara is that the institutions of the EU need some dramatic reform. Whether the UK is part of it or not, there needs to be a very considerable shift in power away from the the Commission to the European Parliament. That way decisions will be reached, democratically, rather than narrow national self interests. I have much more faith in the policies of, say, Austria’s Green Party than I have in BritishTories.
This is all so bemusing and can’t for the life of me understand why we should have another referendum. The people have spoken and they want OUT!!!
When we were knocked out of the world cup several months ago there was no screaming and shouting for a replay because we did not like the result. NO we had to live with it and move on.
The reason there is so much procrastination is that we are a major financial contributor to the EU.
Let’s get on with it and retain our sovereignty, manage our borders, stop the abuse of our NHS and Welfare system and look after our own for a change. We can spend the millions that go abroad on taking our homeless off the streets, looking after our elderly, housing those in dire needs, funding for more police. How shameful for people in this country to rely on food banks.
None of these issues existed prior to joining the EU.
How then is it of any benefit. If the EU does not want our tourism or other services on offer, there is a whole world we can trade with.
Let’s abide by the will of the people. They voted OUT.
Iain – you forgot to mention the plague of locusts that will descend on us if we leave!
This is what you said after the referendum:-
The people have spoken and the UK will now start the process of leaving the European Union. There must be no talk of delay, nor of a u-turn: the decision has been made.
Mark Hunter said in 2008 ‘it should be an in/out referendum to decide the issue once and for all’
And another thing, if we’re so overwhelmingly Remain, why is Mary Robinson voting Yes on Brexit matters! So much for the will of the people and representing constituents views. They only play that card when it suits them
Alan – another attack on our MP. Why don’t you give her your phone number and I am sure she would contact first before voting.
So the people voted OUT? Yes a tiny minority won the referendum, but most of the people voting to leave thought we could just stop paying £350 million a week and stop European immigration with no major negative consequences for our businesses and economy. How naive they were!
“Tiny majority”, Jeff? 52 is about 8% bigger than 48. Not huge, sure. But decisive and significant.
Fir goodness sakes, what bit of ‘we’re leaving’ don’t these fools understand?! To have another vote simply undermines our democracy and would be and end to politics as we know it!
Quite right as pointed out on here in a number of posts, nobody knows the future.
We’re leaving, goodbye Europe.
The main problem with the referendum was that the result was regionalised so that we were allowed to know the vote split on a region by region and country by country. All the votes should have been collected and counted in one place with no reference to the origin of the ballot box. If this process had been followed there would not have been all the Hoo-Hah and carry on we keep having. We voted to leave the EU, let’s get on with it.
All this talk of “getting on with it”. Getting on with exactly what?
Are you all content with the government’s negotiating position, as recently set out? And that, in any negotiation, there has to be further give and take? Are you all content to simply leave the final outcome to the Theresa May?
This is the most important issue my country has faced since the end of WW2. I would much rather that decision is made by us – the voters, rather than a hopelessly divided Tory party and a totally inadequate “opposition”. We have been trusted twice before on this – why should we not be trusted again?
Jeff and John Hartley I am sure you are right. When we voted two years ago we were duped and nothing said or done since by this government has made any difference to that.
I can see no reason for not having a referendum on the final result of the negotiations. It makes sense. We deserve to know where we will stand either way.
John – it was decided by the people two years ago
LEAVE!!!!
No need to shout, Bruce – you’ll know that’s what using upper case is on the internet.
I’m a simple bloke. Not really political like you always seem to be, defending the Tories. But when you say it was settled two years ago, it obviously wasn’t. If it was, then Tory MPs, including Cabinet members and members of select committees, wouldnt be at each others throat. The prime minister wouldnt have only just come up with a negotiating stance and, even then, lost two cabinet members. All would be consensus, sweetness and light. And we all know it isn’t!
In my simple way, I look at it like this. Months back, Mrs H and I discussed going on holiday in 2019. We took a vote on it. And there was 100% support for going on holiday. But we are still discussing where we might go. In due course, we will have to have another vote – or we’ll be remaining in Gatley.
Now, if a simple matter such as the Hartley family holiday requires two votes, then it is surely reasonable to expect no less an involvement by the people affected by us leaving the EU. And that’s all of us – not just the 650 Britons who happen to be MPs.
Why are the Brextremists seemingly so scared of democracy all of a sudden? After all, when they lost the vote in 1975, they didnt pack up and forget about it. No, of course, they didnt – they continued to campaign until they got another referendum (with the help of their cronies in the right wing press). Just as our democracy allows. But, all of sudden, trust in the people to make a decision seems ot have evaporated. Are they running frit, you have to wonder. What an insult to millions of Britons on both sides of the issue.
Feel free to answer any of the questions I posed in the previous post. Come on, don’t dodge the issue. You’re Bruce, not Jacob Rees-Mogg. Surely your position isn’t that you really don’t care about your own party’s stance on the issue – that that the future doesnt matter, so long as we leave? If that’s really what you’re saying, then you should be lobbying your own party to simply call off the talks with the EU now and let the clock run down to next year.
(PS: when it comes to the holiday vote, mine is for Mallorca)
John – I will respond but not now – too many glasses of wine!
I didn’t like the result of the last general election can we vote again until I get the result I want?
Yes – another election will be along in due course.
I am so sick of all this. Sick of it always on the news. Sick of people trying to scare us. And mostly i’m sick of political parties playing with us.
Just get it done! If we leave without the EU coming to it’s senses, fine. With or without the EU we will continue as a major world player. We always have been and we always will be.
Agree absolutely John. The referendum gave us the British people’s decision. I’m looking forward to Britain being independent again and being masters of our own destiny once more.
Thank you for your post. I too am looking forward to Great Britain being the master of it’s own destiny once more.
John – since the day our MP was elected Iain and his party have been extremely critical, undermining even, of our local MP and also the Tory party – in particular East Cheshire. Iain has raised into question the effect that the two million homes that they would like to build would have on the Gatley Junction.
As always it is what he doesn’t tell you that is the real story. His party authorised 150 homes for the Barnes site which is already having an effect on the junction along with increased traffic through South Park (glass houses – stones?).
Back to the EU – I voted to leave- no ifs and buts , no codicils, no conditions – just a simple vote to leave.
Bear this in mind – what Tony Benn said –
‘When I saw how the European Union was developing, it was very obvious that what they had in mind was not democratic. I mean, in Britain you vote for the government and therefore the government has to listen to you, and if you don’t like it you can change it. But in Europe all the key positions are appointed, not elected – the Commission, for example. All appointed, not one of them elected.
[..] And my view about the European Union has always been not that I am hostile to foreigners, but that I am in favour of democracy. And I think out of this story we have to find an answer, because I certainly don’t want to live in hostility to the European Union but I think they are building an empire there and they want us to be a part of that empire, and I don’t want that
So John if we don’t like what is going in the EU how do we vote them out?’
The euro is the only currency without a country.
Morning Bruce
Thanks for at least posting a reply to my earlier post, as you said you would. As expected, it is full of smoke and mirrors and doesnt address a single point that I put to you. Sorry to say but that typifies the level of discussion that comes from many Leavers and, in particular, the Brextremists (although I’m sure, in your heart of hearts, that you’re not actually one of them). Maybe you should have waited until the effects of all those glasses of wine had worn off.
John
John – how do we vote them out?
Bruce – see my reply to Barbara upthread. It specifically addresses your question.
I know that the UK may well leave the EU next year but, if it didnt, I would hope that we would press for changes to structures/policies as suggested by the EU wide grouping “Another Europe is Possible”.
Bruce – sorry for the delay in replying. I’m sure I posted yesterday but it doesnt seem to have appeared.
The short answer is to refer you to my reply to Barbara upthread. Much as some prefer to try and argue otherwise, the EU is a democratic institution but, like the UK, a democracy that is not perfect. Whether the UK is part of it or not, change will come to the EU when politics rules, rather than narrow national self interest.
If you are interested in knowing about what changes I’d be interested in seeing, suggest you Google for the pan-Europe group “Another Europe is Possible”. It sets out a manifesto for a Europe for working people. Needless to say, as with any group, I don’t support everything in that manifesto but it’d be a start.
Thanks for you reply Bruce.
Just to be clear, my post wasn’t having a go at any political party. Probably more aimed at the media.
Re your – if we don’t like what is going in the EU how do we vote them out?’ the answer is … support the Government to get us out of the EU asap.
This sounds like a game of heads and tails. Initially best of one, then three , then five etc until we get the outcome we want. I would be surprised that if remain won, those that voted Brexit would ask for another referendum.
David
Nigel Farage and his “unfinished business” if Remain had won. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681
And, from earlier this year, Farage suggesting a second referendum might be a good idea – https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-42654608/nigel-farage-warming-to-second-eu-referendum
David
Nigel Farage and his “unfinished business” had Remain won – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681
And Farage, earlier this year, suggesting he was warming to the idea of a second referendum – https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-42654608/nigel-farage-warming-to-second-eu-referendum
I thought I’d posted this before, but I can’t see it.
Can we have a link to the opinion poll?
How many people were interviewed? Who paid for the research?
Oh! and I presume you mean ‘huge’ not ‘hugh’
John
Thanks John – link added and typo corrected. The poll was of 15,000 people across the country, conducted by YouGov and paid for by Best for Britain.
For anyone interested:
Hungarian-born billionaire George Soros’ group Best For Britain has been slapped with a fine by the Electoral Commission.
ref: http://mainstreamnetwork.co.uk/george-soros-best-britain-fined-electoral-commission-donation-spending-issues/
A spokesperson for the group said: “The Brexit campaigns cheated. This is a fact. Brexit was voted through on a tiny majority by a campaign that broke the rules.
So I’m really surprised by the poll’s result
Hi John, you’re right that the Leave campaign broke the law in 2016.
However, I think people are seeing how Brexit is going. Information we have now wasn’t available in 2016, and it’s clear that Brexit will make us poorer, weaker and, instead of being at the table deciding rules in the EU club, we’ll be following rules decided by others in the WTO.
People want a vote on the final deal – and I agree.
all politics is bent. We had a referendum on not having a Mayor then Andy Burham is put on us at great expense.
He’s got a new side kick now for LGBT on £20,000 a year.
All this about Brexit it’s just scaremongering we should never have joined in the first place. As we don’t follow what most European Countries do, all we do is call them. What we need is a revolution.
The most pro brexit campaigners (Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage) have left their positions after they have fulfilled their commitment toward leading the country to its unknown fate.
Yes they DID tell us that £350M a week will be in the NHS pocket BUT it was found that it is wrong.
Yes they talked about control over immigration BUT they did NOT say anything about Spain will ask for Gibraltar sovereignty, Scotland asks for independence.
Yes they have spoken collectively about matters that draw the interest of most of the citizens just to get the country out of the EU with no real solutions to the matters that they think its problematic to the country.
Now, after most of the nation knows that Brexit is bad for the country (while the government is still swimming in its swamp) brexiters are bringing back Nigel Farage to revive his lies.
I believe that such a BIG decision should not be decided on a 51% to 49% basis. At least 66% should be the benchmark.
Bruce – I’ve tried twice to post a considered reply to your question (once yesterday, once today) and it’s not loading . For brief response, see the reply I gave to Barbara upthread.
The will of the people? If I hear this phrase once more I will tear my hair out. It is a phrase used by dictators, as are referenda – a favourite tool, as it can be used to manipulate the electorate, which is, of course, what has happened in this whole sad affair. Also recall that just over two thirds of the electorate voted – a high turnout compared to local elections, say, but still not the whole of the electorate. And I understand that there are more people not on the electoral register than voted in the referendum. So the vote to leave is hardly “the will of the people.” This whole thing should have gone through Parliament only, it was simply too important to be thrown to the electoral winds in a referendum. For older voters (and I am 73), it will be our children and grandchildren who will suffer the consequences over decades.
Whenever there is a vote to get the choice of all the population then our choice is made on the information available at the time. After the much more detail revealed during the complex preparations it has become apparent that a substantial proportion of the information at the time of the vote was at best emotive and contained some “fake news and data”. With more reliable and extensive reports to consider it is democratic for the whole society to be given the chance to confirm its wish. To deny that chance is wrong.
Bruce – this is now the 4th time I’ve tried to post an reply to the question you posed to me yesterday. I’m not going to try and repeat the rather detailed response I’ev now typed three times. So, I’ll just refer you to the reply I comment I made to Barbara’s post, upthread.
As for the euro being the only currency not to have a country, that’s simply wrong – it has 20. I assume you meant only a single country. In which case, you’re still wrong. There are a perhaps surprising number of countries which share currencies as detailed here – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_union#Existing
The referendum covered the whole of country and was decided by the overall vote to leave the EU.
If the majority in Cheadle voted to remain, it just demonstrates that the rest of the country voted in even greater numbers to leave!
In the past I have voted for your party , this will not be the case in the future , the fact that you choose to ignore a legal democratic referendum and then spout nonsense about dodgy opinion polls is outrageous ,the “people’s vote” was conducted in 2016 and the outcome was very clear
Fair enough Peter. We haven’t ignored the referendum, but we have correctly noted that there has been no referendum on the final deal: as even Rees-Mogg said there should be!
These polls that apparently say that all these people have changed their mind about leaving who have they asked. I don’t know of anyone who has changed their minds or anyone who was part of that poll. Again cheap propaganda. If anyone thinks the deal we get if we don’t leave the EU will be a good one they must have missed what’s been happening during negotiations. If we stay every other major company will be lured to relocate to Europe with grants until we are on our knees begging for any crusts they choose to throw our way. We won’t be forgiven.